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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Chris Opperman » Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:34 pm

Why did they send Mrs. Finch instead of a Zephyr?

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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Yannick Berens » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:35 am

Chris Opperman wrote:Why did they send Mrs. Finch instead of a Zephyr?

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Maybe because they have the mentality of children and children and bogeymen don't mix?
I dunno, I'm grasping straws here.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Chris Opperman » Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:14 am

Yeah, but in the war they were used by being paired up with a witch, right?

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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby nwongrassamee » Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:53 am

Chris Opperman wrote:Yeah, but in the war they were used by being paired up with a witch, right?

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Zephyrs were also provided courtesy of the North Wind to spy on empire agents. Maybe with the end of the Empire, they didn't feel the need to retain the Zephyr's services. Oh, and if the Zephyr's were magically bound, then the Dark Man's unbinding spell would have affected them too.

Not that it may matter much either way. Zephyr's are pretty magical too and probably would have tripped the Dark Man's radar.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Héctor Gómez » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:02 am

In issue #75 when Glory of Bgdad explodes many of the Zephirs died. They are only air and fire burn through them during the deflagration.
Perhaps only little number survived, or the survivors scaped from their former allies.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Tags Sanchez » Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:51 pm

Okay I thought of sometime for Maddy

Okay so during The Tempest it said that Sycorax (Maddy) had died. BUt what if for some reason she just hide herself. And when She and Prospero escaped to FableTown and Shakespear got the story the cloaking spell was so powerful that he couldn't detect that she was even there hidden. Also maybe Ariel and Caliban weren't even real, just characters Shakespear made to make more characters for the play and all they did were just Prospero's powers.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Eddy Stone » Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:04 pm

Tags Sanchez wrote:Okay I thought of sometime for Maddy

Okay so during The Tempest it said that Sycorax (Maddy) had died. BUt what if for some reason she just hide herself. And when She and Prospero escaped to FableTown and Shakespear got the story the cloaking spell was so powerful that he couldn't detect that she was even there hidden. Also maybe Ariel and Caliban weren't even real, just characters Shakespear made to make more characters for the play and all they did were just Prospero's powers.


Well, there's nothing to say that Caliban and Ariel aren't real, but I definitely was thinking while I read this issue that Sycorax's death before the events of The Tempest could easily be explained by her faking her death by hiding herself so well. I'd love to see Maddy and Propsero interact, even though the Fabletown Compact absolves either of them of wrongdoing.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Eric Oppen » Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:31 am

Got my copy, and have devoured it.

King Cole wallowing in the money---that reminded me and my best bud, who got to read my copy before I did (longish story) of Scrooge McDuck in his money bin. I wonder---could KC's liking for money be a weak point of his that could be used against Fabletown at some point or other?

The more I see of Ozma, the more I like her. I wonder if she resents spending all the centuries in a little girl's body, the way Pinocchio did being a little boy for so very long? Or, worse, what if she has all the urges of a healthy grown woman, but in that body, can't satisfy them? That would strike me as pretty hellish. She seems to be a lot more decisive than most of the 13th Floor crowd---did being under the Frau's thumb for so long make them dependent on a strong personality to lead them, or what?

Although most of the Zephyrs might be gone, I think that Ghost, Bigby and Snow's son, might still be around...and I bet that if Mommy and Daddy asked him to, he could spy on Mr. Dark without risk. I am so looking forward to Fabletown teaching Mr. Dark that he should have left them alone, the way they eventually did Gepetto...even if they have to ask Gepetto to help out.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby C. Kistler » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:45 am

Eric Oppen wrote:
Although most of the Zephyrs might be gone, I think that Ghost, Bigby and Snow's son, might still be around...and I bet that if Mommy and Daddy asked him to, he could spy on Mr. Dark without risk. I am so looking forward to Fabletown teaching Mr. Dark that he should have left them alone, the way they eventually did Gepetto...even if they have to ask Gepetto to help out.


I don't know if you have children Eric, but given what I know of Mr. Dark, I would not want any child around him, incorporeal or not. I can imagine that Mommy and Daddy would not want to put one of their children in that particular type of harm's way. Just my thought.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby nwongrassamee » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:49 am

Eric Oppen wrote:Got my copy, and have devoured it.

King Cole wallowing in the money---that reminded me and my best bud, who got to read my copy before I did (longish story) of Scrooge McDuck in his money bin. I wonder---could KC's liking for money be a weak point of his that could be used against Fabletown at some point or other?


I dunno. Part of Cole's joy was probably the relief from all the financial worries he had. As he pointed out a couple issues ago, Fabletown needs a minimum amount of finances just to feed everyone and keep hidden from the mundies. Now he's suddenly had one worry lifted off his shoulders.

The more I see of Ozma, the more I like her. I wonder if she resents spending all the centuries in a little girl's body, the way Pinocchio did being a little boy for so very long? Or, worse, what if she has all the urges of a healthy grown woman, but in that body, can't satisfy them? That would strike me as pretty hellish. She seems to be a lot more decisive than most of the 13th Floor crowd---did being under the Frau's thumb for so long make them dependent on a strong personality to lead them, or what?


Ozma is among other things a princess. A crown princess at that. She was born and raised to be a leader. Most of the other witches aren't. IOW, Ozma is a quintessential politician; whether she has other non-magical skills to back up political ones remains to be seen though.

Although most of the Zephyrs might be gone, I think that Ghost, Bigby and Snow's son, might still be around...and I bet that if Mommy and Daddy asked him to, he could spy on Mr. Dark without risk.


LOL, no way in hell are mommy and daddy going to ask Ghost to spy. They don't KNOW that there's no risk. For that matter, neither do WE.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Tags Sanchez » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:03 pm

"Eric Oppen"The more I see of Ozma, the more I like her. I wonder if she resents spending all the centuries in a little girl's body, the way Pinocchio did being a little boy for so very long? Or, worse, what if she has all the urges of a healthy grown woman, but in that body, can't satisfy them? That would strike me as pretty hellish. She seems to be a lot more decisive than most of the 13th Floor crowd---did being under the Frau's thumb for so long make them dependent on a strong personality to lead them, or what?


I don't think she stuck in a little girls body, in the oz stories shes part fairy so maybe she ages more slowly. Or like FT she keeps her body at that age. Also I think that beging under another witchs thumb made Ozma stronger, so I think she was used to being a servent to FT. Now that I'm typeing this, the arc is sort of parlle to The Marvelous Land of Oz in a way. I still ready wish to know who the beauty mark witch and the other witch are. I still think for some reason that the beauty mark witch is Morgan La Fay though since Bill is going very shakespear, maybe Queen Mab?
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Chris Opperman » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:47 pm

I don't think anyone besides Cindy considers themselves to be FT's "servant."

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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Andrew Mar » Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:35 pm

Tags Sanchez wrote:I still think for some reason that the beauty mark witch is Morgan La Fay though since Bill is going very shakespear, maybe Queen Mab?


Ha! I've been reading hellboy alongside fables and their recent arc featured both of these characters. I just thought that was kind of funny :)
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Yannick Berens » Sun Nov 15, 2009 3:17 pm

Tags Sanchez wrote:I still think for some reason that the beauty mark witch is Morgan La Fay though since Bill is going very shakespear, maybe Queen Mab?

Well the Arthurian era already ended in the Homelands (as seen in the Good Prince). So I think Morgan, a remnant from that era is already dead. Or perhaps aiding Hellboy against Viviane

As a guess, I'm thinking she's Nannie, the witch of the Cutty Sark story. I'm basing this on absolutely nothing except that she's young and pretty.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Eddy Stone » Sun Nov 15, 2009 9:06 pm

Morgan La Fay is a good theory for the beauty mark witch.

Ford's Laundromat being present in Fabletown seems to suggest that Bean Nighe, or the Washer Woman of the Ford, should be somewhere in Fabletown and most likely on the 13th Floor (being a fairy). Perhaps she's the scrunch-faced witch?

Speaking of her, I hope that I'm not reading too much into the fact that the scrunchy-faced witch did not appear in this issue. I hope she wasn't forgotten. I'm not too concerned, because the identity of all the 13th Floor witches have been revealed gradually over this arc (Ozma and Mother Cherish in 87, Maddy in 88, no one in 89, Prospero and Mr. Kadabra in 90), so there's still time to find out the names of the remaining two. She was just suspiciously absent in both meetings during this issue.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Tags Sanchez » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:31 am

Eddy Stone wrote:Morgan La Fay is a good theory for the beauty mark witch.

Speaking of her, I hope that I'm not reading too much into the fact that the scrunchy-faced witch did not appear in this issue.


Thank you. I thought of her because besides Frau Totenkinder, Baba Yaga, and the oz witches she is the most famouse witch in folklore.

Also I notice the scrunchy-faced witch was gone. Though she was on the cover. Maybe she is in the cinderella mini-comic.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Eddy Stone » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:54 pm

I feel totally slow, but I JUST realized that Mr. Dark is meant to be the bogeyman, and that all of the names he gave for himself back in issue 87 are just other names for bogeyman-like characters in other cultures (Heck, most of them are all listed on the Wikipedia article for Bogeyman). I feel so much better about the character now because I had a hard time getting a reference point when I thought of him as "all the horrible dark characters out there in stories". The bogeyman is a pretty excellent villain, and I really should have read issue 87 a little better, apparently.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Ian Morgan » Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:50 am

brilliant I allways wondered who he was as well but never thought of the bogeyman

although reading the wiki entry I cannot see where it mentions the teeth swallowing trick
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Markos Antypas » Tue Nov 17, 2009 5:49 am

Great issue, I cannot wait to see what will happen next, especially with Bufkin's "war" against Baba Yaga and Geppetto's negotiations with Grandfather Oak (I also, like the fact that we see a non-animal kingdom Fable).
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You are right there. At first I thought "Why the hell didn't Frau leave any advise to the 13th floor wizards and witches?". But with what you said in mind it makes perfect sense. Frau is a quite strong witch so she could expect that maybe better results would have come if she left Ozma to do what she wanted, as her plan is going well until now.
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Re: Snow Write and Rose Read -- the Fables 90 Letters

Postby Bill Willingham » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:44 am

Tags Sanchez wrote:
I still think for some reason that the beauty mark witch is Morgan La Fay though since Bill is going very shakespear, maybe Queen Mab?


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